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Dr Melissa Derby: Equity or Equality?



Dr Melissa Derby, Ngāti Ranginui, Senior Lecturer Waikato University asks what happens when the focus of government and institutions shifts from providing equal opportunities to equal outcomes? Is attempting to bring about equal outcomes a good idea – or even possible? Dr Derby tests this idea against evidence to see if what we think might be a good idea is actually a good idea in practice.



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barriergold
Feb 15, 2023

Simple answer, there is no answer, some people have the ability and others don't. Who would have been the rocket scientist in the stone age, it would have been the people who figured out how to manipulate stone and turn that stone into hunting tools, cutting tools and tools in general for everyday survival, that knowledge then would have been passed down to the smarter ones in the group, the other scientists would have been the hunters trackers and planners for the hunt, again that knowledge would have been passed onto the smarter ones, everyone in the tribe would have had their station, there would be no free feed, everyone would have done something for their bit of meat. W…

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vic alborn
Feb 15, 2023
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I agree. Personal responsibility is critical and yes, responsible parenting too. I am eternally grateful for my upbringing, but that was 70+ years ago. Times have changed but the effective resolution to today's problems have not. Another major problem is the subversion of the education system by the Socialists. Cheers


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charlie.baycroft
Feb 15, 2023

The people that say they are legislating equality and equity are the political elites who beliefe they are superior to the rest of us and entitled to govern us as they decide "for our own good". They say they are promoting equality while imposing systems that bestow different rights, privileges and responsibilities on different groups of people and treating them unequally. The idea of equality in natural law was that each person's life, liberty and property should be respected and protected from being interferred with by other people. "All men are created equal" did not propose that they would be the same but it did mean that there should not be an HEREDITARY RULING CLASS with absolute authority and power over the rest…

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Unknown member
Feb 15, 2023
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I automate a large variety of old machines, and although I'm proud of my work in pleasing the client, I always have in the back of my mind this guilt that I have made people redundant with my actions.

Automation is all very well.....until it doesn't work.

Some of My clients want the simplest of machines automated, and I always advise them not to. If a simple machine, using 2 or 3 operators is making money , leave it alone. Eg. A 500 ton sinkbowl press I was asked to automate. 3 men work that machine, and 3 men are needed. One is a diesetter, the main operator, the other 2 do simple tasks such as feeding sheet stainless st…


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teamlegalz
Feb 14, 2023

🙉🙈🙊For openers what subject was Dr Derby's doctorate achieved in at what university did she study at and finally why does she have to make a point about what a minute part of her ancestry is viz. Ngati Ranganui.as this is not relevant and looks like an attempt at unwarranted virtue signaling.

Equity and equality are effectively in the nature of oxymorons and are not compatible because on one hand they mean people take their opportunities make an effort and achieve while on the other hand the equity bit is often for some sods to simply loll around put their hands out and c0vet the fruits of other peoples hard work and commitment. This attitude really peeves the hard worker…

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