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RODNEY HIDE interviews MICHAEL BASSETT



Historian, ex-politician and Waitangi Tribunal member Michael Bassett joins Rodney for a discussion on race relations: where we have arrived, and where we are heading. A fascinating reflection full of firsthand experience and insights from a New Zealander first elected to parliament in 1972 to serve under the leadership of Norman Kirk.


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Thanks Rodney Hide & Michael Bassett both excellent participants in political history and expert sensors of current strife.


I believe that the Waitangi Tribunal should be wound up. It is not possible for Maori to litigate events hundreds of years ago. Chiefs had rights to utu permitting such retribution for capture of lands by force. Those are recorded in carved or other tribal records awaiting kinetic repayment which is out of time.


Tribal authorities now will have limited rights over the financial bonuses they have extracted from the govt. That does not stretch to breaching the Crimes Act which applies to all NZedders.


Rights of Chiefs conflicting with the law under the Crown have been abolished with the Treaty. Otherwise…

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ron
ron
Feb 11

My ignorance perhaps and happy to be corrected, but according to some references the Treaty principles can be traced to Sir Robyn Cooke's 1987 court of appeal remarks, alongside the infamous 'akin to a partnership', with that list appearing to have been adopted by the Waitangi Commission, which in its infinite activist wisdom has decided will take precedence over the actual words of the Treaty, no doubt because those principles are significantly more advantageous to Maori, being open to wide interpretation, than what was agreed in 1840. Those Cooke principles have also been referenced in 7 NZ Acts of legislation.


With regards a referendum. Whilst it is of course correct that the results of a binding referendum would not be…


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zekewulfe
zekewulfe
Feb 11
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Exactly Ron..... even more of Treaty crap within a nutshell


With regards a referendum. Whilst it is of course correct that the results of a binding referendum would not be binding on future Governments, it would take another Ardern like regime with totalitarian aspirations to ride rough shod over a recent referendum result. Particularly as the Treaty Principles Bill is simply a modern plain English interpretation of the Treaty itself, removing fabricated "principles" such as the infinitely interpretable "active protection" of Maori, rather than introducing any new concepts.

and so the rort goes on: Not only in parliament but within the judiciary .... both of which exist almost entirely on the continuation of conflict.


How many times does it need…


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Peter Y
Peter Y
Feb 11

Welfare is indeed a very large part of the problem and getting something for nothing has far too much attraction for too many, as Ngata identified around a century ago.


Chris B, above identifies a good way to motivate those not getting their kids to school - a massive problem that is only going to get worse and cost everyone increasingly more in both money and crime as it works it way through the system.


As part of that action, we also need to stop incentivising the indiscriminate breeding in the first instance, and to also positively promote (by incentivising) a return to the two parent family, which is a root cause of much of the malaise in society today.


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zekewulfe
zekewulfe
Feb 11

There is one message within this interview that came through loud and clear......:


Whilst NZ persists with the Treaty as a means of establishing its future, NZ is wasting its time.

Because: Under the current arrangements any successive government can alter it at will.....


Micheal Basset stresses that option will always exist under the Treaty of Waitangi.

As a society with supposed awareness we would have to acknowledge that fact.

FFS. Currently NZ cannot even predictably establish its past.

Winnie Peters ( a man for all seasons) also declares it as a pile of crap.


NZs major parties (under MMP or FPP) cannot agree and will never agree, irrespective of whom they are composed of.

Have a look at where…


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If only Luxon could be prevailed on to copy Norman Kirk : Rename Waitangi Day "New Zealand Day" - and scrap the Waitangi Tribunal!


Michael Bassett is unnecessarily nervous about "a new government just changing back to previous legislation". This simply cannot ever happen : Firstly, we will have a conservative government in New Zealand for at least 6 years - most likely 9 or 12. Secondly, never again will one party again get an absolute majority in Parliament. The MMP system has now succeeded in placing more parties in the House - and more parties and independent individuals will be voted in (I believe) when the cut-off line for participation in extra seats is lowered from 5 …

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With all due respect, KevOB, you are obviously completely ignorant about the multitude of parties in similar parliamentary democracies as ours. I recommend you look at the success of a real democracy like Denmark. The proof of a pudding is in the eating.


With a line of 2% to share the extra seats, in Denmark one (or even two or three) parties can never rule alone. Consequently , all legislation must be compromises - resulting in non-controversial legislation. A lot of bother and time for a government to do things - but so what?

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