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Taking the temperature on the Treaty




Last Thursday morning Nick Mills, NewstalkZB Wellington, attempted to have a discussion about the Treaty principles, ACT's bill and Ratana's political relevance. In his introduction he replayed snippets of David Seymour speaking to Tim Dower earlier that day. Mills' personal position is that the status quo is OK and he favours Luxon's approach of supporting the bill only to select committee.


In the hour from 9-10am the text and caller feedback mostly disagreed (apart from one caller who rang solely to criticise the host for his te reo pronunciation, and another who ran the familiar argument along the lines of 'How can homeless Maori be described as having greater advantage?')


You can listen to the entire hour by going to the link below and selecting 'Wellington', the date 25/1/24 and 9:00. The replays are in 15 minute segments but roll over automatically. Kudos to a fellow called Dean who articulated the problem admirably. If you only have time for his call, go to the 9:15 segment and fast forward to 12:30


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Referendum is the ultimate in citizen power, where the decision on major questions by central government or local bodies, is taken by the majority - right or wrong. Look at the background of who is against referendums and you will find someone who resents having to surrender control to others, and when the hesitation is that there may be a wrong decision made, refer back to the thousands of wrong decisions politicians have made in the past. We should still be aware that politicians may/will manipulate the wording to suit their own agenda and make referendum more complicated and expensive than they need be, which they have done in the past. If the Marxists hate the idea then its…

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Roy Baldman
Roy Baldman
29 яну

The biggest problem I see is the random use of the word partnership. Nowhere do I see the words equal when the word partnership is used. in relation to the treaty. Lets first define what partnership means in the treaty discussion. I have been in partnerships where there ahve been Senior Partners and Junior Partners. In that instance all partners were not equal. While i can be persuaded, as was the radical Liberal Lord Cook, that the treaty was in the nature of a partnership.. Surely there would have been a Senior Partner(The crown) and junior partners (The 520 odd chiefs who signed.) Keeping in mind that in 1840 there was not an entity called Maori.

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Thank heavens for David Seymour and his honest, intelligent approach to the horrific divided country we now have. He should be PM. How novel, a PM with backbone.

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Yes. Unknown member you're indeed correct.

And you've highlighted a very significant problem that exists in new Zealand .

Why isn't he prime Minister?

He's incredibly articulate, extremely intelligent and he does speak from the heart.

He's a conviction based politician, probably one of the last we have left in new Zealand.

He speaks not only to his supporters but to everyone in new Zealand.

He cares not a whit for the dissention from those who only have the brains to oppose him ideologically, not with common sense.

This isn't a ra-ra trumpet call of greatness for the man. Rather, an acknowledgement of him as someone who really believes in what they think. And will debate with intelligence and openness…


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As New Zealand now stands on a precipice with the risk of falling further into the abyss of the past being imported into the present and future for the grievance process for Maori, being one that has become a deep quagmire that NZ is now stuck in, It seems there is now a duty to impart a perspective on the whole affair and situation given pending support, or not, for the David Seymour Bill that will presumably seek to determine "what are" or "what is" or "what will" be the principles of the Treaty.


That perspective is covered therefore in this long treatise that ensues, for which apologies are made for its length, but its an opinion validated by the…


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zekewulfe
zekewulfe
29 яну
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Charlie, there is little doubt that we; along with thousands more like us, could tell similar tales of the theft that takes place of public funds.

Its easy to appropriate blame and even easier to apportion a perpetrator thereto.


Pakeha as well as Maori are in general uncomplicated prey, easily trained to be their own worst enemy, capitalised on by the devil incarnate whom dwells in Welly type swamps, using divide and rule tactics.


What I am alluding to is that when the crap does surface it has the habit of ending up in the lap of the Maori

Racism can be evil but when it is practiced by way of deceit, it is the devil x 10.

I rea…

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Bazza
Bazza
28 яну

Could somebody please design and market a tee shirt..." We the people want to talk about the Treaty"...for too long its been the exclusive property of the Tribunal, the Judges, the Politicians like Wiley Jackshit. The Waitangi Tribunal has up to 20 members. They are appointed by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Minister for Māori Development. About half the members are Māori and half are Pākehā. Well Maori party got 3% of the last vote, 17.3% of the population identify as Maoris. Note the median ages for males and females identifying as Māori were 25.8 and 27.9 years respectively (compared with national median ages of 37.0 and 39.0 years respectively, reflecting a younger Māori population). David Seymour…

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BAC
BAC
1 фев
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Easy to make a profit when you don't pay tax!!!

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